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 Post subject: Using Convvid2daph2.7 to rip DL2 video for Daph. Thumbs Up!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:29 am 
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Using Digital Leisure's DVD-Video Version of DL2:

Just a confirmation that Convvid2daph version 2.7
ripped video and everything appears to be working perfectly in Daphne.

I've finished the game numorous times,
Have seen all the slides for Inserting Coin, 1 player up, 2 player up...
I've missed treasure (on purpose, of course) and have seen the
slide that I've missed treasure...
All the video is in sync and matches up with the moves perfectly.
No stray clips at all...
Framefile automatically generated... Only had to tweak
the path to my video files (since I dont put them in a default folder)

Just wanted to let everyone know incase you are looking for something
to try to rip your DL2 footage.

I can't say that it will work 100% for everyone with every version of
the DVD, but it worked with my combination. Good luck all!


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:34 am 
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Just thought I'd point out that while it is functional, it's not accurate. The move timings for most of the scenes are off when compared to an original machine. Convvid2daph makes the gameplay far less accurate, polished, and tweaked than it actually was.

Granted, it will convert your video files for you, so if that's all you care about then it will work. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters. But it's not an accurate representation of DL2. In my opinion, it's not true emulation if the timings are off. I don't see a convvid2daph rip as being any different than playing a digital leisure programmed version. To me, if it's not real, it's not real.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:36 pm 
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chip wrote:
Granted, it will convert your video files for you, so if that's all you care about then it will work.

Yes, I was just after ANYTHING that would let me play DL2 through
Daphne, since I heard that DVD2DAPH doesnt support DL2 yet.
This is a 'fix' for me until something more 'real' is available ;)

chip wrote:
In my opinion, it's not true emulation if the timings are off.

Chip, you also mention that timings are off.
I'm kind of new to understanding what controlls what here... but
isnt it the rom that controls the timing for the moves?
And if it matches up with the video (the flashes on the screen)
isn't that what you would be after? My guess is that you are talking
about moves being timed 100% correct (with certain frames of video,
and not just the 'flashes' on the screen)
I may be way off in my thinking... but just thought I'd ask.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 pm 
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Yes, the rom controls the timings for correct (and incorrect) "windows" to make a move. But, if the video is not correctly sync'd to that timing, then the gameplay is inaccurate.

I can play DL2 on my real machine in my sleep. But I get really frustrated when trying to play with a convvid2daph conversion. With convvid2daph, there are many points in the game where I can't make the moves when I'm used to making them. And since the original game designers wanted me to learn those timings the way I know them, I won't settle for anything less.

I strongly suggest you stick to a laserdisc capture if you can, or wait for dvd2daph. Otherwise you'll be learning incorrect timings and will only get frustrated when something more 'real' (to use your words) presents itself. Remember, convvid2daph is a hack of dvd2daph. It's author (hacker) did not do any comparisons to real laserdiscs. If it were that easy, DL2 would already be included in dvd2daph.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:55 pm 
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Points taken. I'll just use this till DVD2DAPH has dl2 support.
(since I won't be dealing w/laserdiscs and players anytime soon)

Thanks Chip


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Wow, interesting stuff Chip. Thanks for the info.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:16 pm 
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no problem. Glad to help share info where I can.

One other thing I should point out is that I've been hearing more and more people tell me lately that they think DL2 is very hard, or that they can only complete a few levels. I believe this is due to an increasing number of people using the convvid2daph rips, probably due to the recent release of daphne 0.99.7 (which now officially supports DL2) and convvid2daph being the only currently available DL2 conversion program.

So, if you find DL2 difficult, make sure you aren't playing with a convvid2daph rip. It's likely not the game's fault as much as it is the incorrect timings of the conversion. Again, I'll mention that I suggest you use a laserdisc capture if you can, or failing that, original hardware. Otherwise, try to be patient and wait for an accurate conversion utility. I'm sure one will come along real soon. ;)


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In your experience, how "off" is the gameplay, and would shaving or adding some frames here and there in the framefile fix this?


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I don't know if you can modify the framefile itself. It looks for specific frame locations. I use the laserdisc image and it plays fine. Easy to play from beginning to end. I tried using the DVD to see how it would play and it was way off. I got annoyed with it and stopped trying to play it after the 1st level. I tried removing some of the frames of the acual dvd mpegs, but that didn't really make a difference. I got it to play fairly well for a while, but when I would get a treasure, or die, etc, the timing would be off again. You asked how far off they are. There is no specific answer. It doesn't appear to be consistantly off by a second, etc. Like at the beginning of the game, it appears to be pretty close, but as I continue playing, it tended to get a lot worse. By the time I got to the snake near the end of level 1, it was very off.


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EnvisagedOne is absolutely right. I couldn't have said it better myself. Doing the work to fix it would basically be the same work as writing your own conversion utility.


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I say, hold your horses fellers, I know everyone can not wait to finally be able to use that third disc from your 20th anniversary collection with Daphne but Chip said the new DVD2DAPH will be out soon and if anyone would know that, it would be him.

It is better to wait a little while longer than to go through the trouble of making a version that does not play well, or worse yet, is not accurate to the original.

P.S. Patience is a virtue...good things come to those who wait, and so on and so on... :D

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Allister, are you by chance a Queensryche fan? :)


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Matt Ownby wrote:
Allister, are you by chance a Queensryche fan? :)


I wonder what gave you that idea! :P

Yes, I am, I'm also a huge Rush fan.


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I thought DVD2DAPH was allready ready and just waiting for DL2 to be officially supported in Daphne?


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still waiting for news on DVD2DAPH.. :(


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Yeah , ever now and again I go the the DVD2DAPH home page looking for a new version of DVD2DAPH for DL2 . Does anyone actually know if anyone's working on it ??

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...Still glad I used Convvid2daph version 2.7 to get the video.. :)


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